we all guilty of it :D
Just a quick word on the subject of shareing.
I'm new to this website and was only just shown a link to it by a friend who works as staff and partime dev on a pserver with me.
Allready, I have found help with the tutorials and videos on scripting ect. I started off knowing next to nothing apart from self taught computing knowledge. struggled through creating and fireing up my first server (trinity core ofc, however did you guess) even tho it was mostly all done for me there were problems I had to work thru by myself to get the thing to actually work.
I strongly believe in helping the few ppl I can help but my resources are few, I maintain the db's for our server so can help ppl with those kind of problems, but learning c++ and correcting core code faults are out of my league. Therefor, in that area I'm forced to ask for help. It's a good job the folk at emudevs.com believe in shareing. otherwise there would be a lotta dissapointed and struggling people out there :)
Our server runs on a Arkcore core which is kinda mangos/trinity/arkcore mix, very little documentation is provided other then the trinity side of things.
anyway, enough of all that. thanks to the OP for allowing my rant and to emudevs for just existing :)
Maybe some /necro
But idk guys how others, but i came to this this support a year ago and my knowledge was 0 i didn't knew how to compile server core what to talk about database install edits and hooh that was other universe for me back in those days, i get supported mainly by Jamey, Tommy, Faded, Rochet i asked so much and about everything, then i started to do "shit" on my local server, i changed Core X times fucked up databases more than X times, and now after year i almost stopped to ask questions in support section and trying to answer other people them, trying to give people information that i know, share the knowledge how mentioned people did it before.
And now i creating staff on my local without any big problems i mean of course it's not perfect, i get stuck in few places but i don't ask for code or for people to that for me, i'm looking for answer BY myself and then if i just give up and can't do that i ask this awesome support, since here no trolls like on other websites. i think blame all people that couple of them just "retarded" and wanna get free stuff for nothing (completed server as support) is a little bit not fair it's all depends on people.
The new generation sucks, but support forum like this can change all that shit to better side :)
How i told all depends on people and how community describe all emu staff to them.
If you come to forum where only repacks,scripts downloads , shared database but support section sucks what the result of people that will be long time in that support?
A : They become trolls
B : They overextends themselves and became dickheads
C : They will insist all staff be shared for free .
And what will be if people come to support like emudevs? :)
They will become like me, person who wanna learn always new things, say thanks for releases,shares but create all by themselves.
Best regards ;)
Last edited by Vitrex; 11-22-2014 at 11:07 PM.Achievements:
I never really gave my real opinion on this matter and I guess dodger and Vitrex did bring up some things that might can get me going.
Lack of documentation has been the most popular downside of all emulators and any 'new' project/other. Alongside of the 'lack of documentation' becomes 'lack of updated documentation/other', 'lack of commitment', 'lack of managing', and just pure laziness nowadays. I don't want to constantly bash TrinityCore every time a thread pops up, but that's their fault and they're honestly asking for it.
You have this popular emulator that is as they say "derived" from MaNGOS, which I'm assuming in 'other words' it is called "ripping, ripped", "knocked-off from" (etc) and I believe they have lack of managing and laziness. TrinityCore could be managed better to where their 'sql' folder won't contain X update files you need to search for just to get your worldserver going (this goes for authserver too). This is why I created EDB -- fast, practically no setup experience required, no more finding your update sqls because when we do update our users can easily run one sql file that contains all the updates. Updates are removed to have a clean project. The laziness feat is below where I explain, "people don't test anything" and TrinityCore even said that they don't test their commits which is a huge 'laziness' and 'commitment' alert for their users.
You can also look at Arctium and other emulators to see how 'lack of documentation' comes into place for their project source and tools sources. Nothing is even written down to help people start with their emulator via WOD (Warlords of Draenor).
As I mentioned, "pure laziness"; Almost everyone steals from each other, don't test anything, they want someone to do things for them and I can bring up more points but I won't. As Foereaper said in this thread:
To be honest, this thread shouldn't really pertain to server owners but the players too. Someone can have a beautiful server with unique content and it can be ignored by players going to a server with no unique content & no scripts tied to any mobs, and players will play that more than a great server. I don't get players. That may have changed over the years since everyone has gotten into map/dbc editing, but who knows.
Committing or Dedication is something I 'somewhat' have but if I set my mind to something I can create some awesome things. A lot of people start projects up and quit in less than a week and if you hire people nowadays they will work for you for a week and eventually disappear without notice (happens a lot to me and Faded).
I think the majority of Server owners are mainly around the age of 13~20+ without any knowledge of what they are doing at all. Back in 2008-2010 was the best time(s) for when I witnessed great creations, motivation, dedication, commitment, and not one sign of anyone being lazy. That changed over the years and I'm afraid it is just getting worse.
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I've gotta agree with all of the posts on here. I remember a long time ago it was very hard to figure out how to get everything setup, but in the end it was all worth it. Plus it felt more like a community you were all helping each other and in turn you helped others. I feel like the community as a whole started to go sour way back with Ascent.
Burlex was the leader of Ascent and was also a programmer for WoW-Scape. When 2.4.3 came out he released the new Ascent core only to WoW-Scape because of some issues with the community. This of course upset the community more and lead to Burlex leaving Ascent and only coding for WoW-Scape, and we all know what happened to them.
Anyway, Ascent turned into Open Ascent then turned into Arc-Emu. Meanwhile Mangos was doing its own thing, but some people thought that the developers were not implementing community fixes in fast enough so a few guys created TrinityCore.
So thats my Emulation History 101. The community seemed to change from, "Lets learn together, to help our self's and others" to "Tell me how to do it, thanks bye."
It only pertains to server owners.To be honest, this thread shouldn't really pertain to server owners but the players too. Someone can have a beautiful server with unique content and it can be ignored by players going to a server with no unique content & no scripts tied to any mobs, and players will play that more than a great server. I don't get players. That may have changed over the years since everyone has gotten into map/dbc editing, but who knows.
I won't elaborate on purpose. (Maybe someone can)
I'm so mysterious.
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